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no debt ceiling. one of those congressmen will join me on the other side of this break. >> congress is more removed from this issue than mayors are. congress people don't get called in the middle of the night when a police officer has been shot. mayors do. >> one of those mayors, l.a.'s antonio villaraigosa coming up in the next hour. keep it here. this is msnbc, the place for politics and cool music picked out by producers in new york city. ♪ i don't wanna be right [ record scratch ] what?! it's not bad for you. it just tastes that way. [ female announcer ] honey nut cheerios cereal -- heart-healthy, whole grain oats. you can't go wrong loving it. plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day men's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for men's health concerns as we age. it has 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day men's 50+. ♪ doing it with a cold, just not going to happen. vicks dayquil -- powerful non-drowsy 6-symptom cold & flu relief. ♪ no matter what city you're playing t
no debt ceiling. one of those congressmen will join me on the other side of this break. >> congress is more removed from this issue than mayors are. congress people don't get called in the middle of the night when a police officer has been shot. mayors do. >> one of those mayors, l.a.'s antonio villaraigosa coming up in the next hour. keep it here. this is msnbc, the place for politics and cool music picked out by producers in new york city. ♪ i don't wanna be right [ record...
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could hit the debt ceiling as soon as mid-february. joining me now, host of "power lunch," tyler matheson. good to see you again. >> hi, tamron. >> we have the threat of our credit rating being downgraded here as wall street keeps an eye just like people at home what's happening in d.c. with the latest battle. >> this is really the biggy. compared with the fiscal cliff which was by all accounts a roughly familiar tax and spending debate, this one has far more import because it will determine whether among other things the united states continues to make good on the obligations it has already undertaken. interest and principal on the debt we have borrowed. our credit rating which was so famously downgraded in the summer of 2011 hangs in the balance here. and of course, people on both sides of the aisle are fighting over whether it is fair game to use the debt ceiling as a piece of political leverage to get the government to stop its spending. on the one hand, people on the right say, well, what else are we going to use? we are engaging
could hit the debt ceiling as soon as mid-february. joining me now, host of "power lunch," tyler matheson. good to see you again. >> hi, tamron. >> we have the threat of our credit rating being downgraded here as wall street keeps an eye just like people at home what's happening in d.c. with the latest battle. >> this is really the biggy. compared with the fiscal cliff which was by all accounts a roughly familiar tax and spending debate, this one has far more import...
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you have to get every dollar for debt ceiling increases. they say the debt ceiling, they know it doesn't give them real leverage but gives them an opportunity to give real messaging. they wouldn't provide a show-down where they say not raising it. they come to terms with having lost the election. charles krauthammer wrote today, the general rule is from the single house of congress, you can't impose, aren't you failing the country? the country chose obama, if you want to save the republic, save the next election. if your conservative philosophy is indeed right, winning will come. joining me now, robert costa, and dave weigel, both of them doing great reporting, i appreciate you being here. robert, i want to start with you, tell me the thinking behind the three-month extension, why three months? >> a lot of it has to do public relations, i think what i heard from the retreat, and members in the room, they want to start to win the pr battle again, to do it they have to take the debt limit off the table, and fight with spending in regard to th
you have to get every dollar for debt ceiling increases. they say the debt ceiling, they know it doesn't give them real leverage but gives them an opportunity to give real messaging. they wouldn't provide a show-down where they say not raising it. they come to terms with having lost the election. charles krauthammer wrote today, the general rule is from the single house of congress, you can't impose, aren't you failing the country? the country chose obama, if you want to save the republic, save...
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ceiling or the debt limit. where do we go from here? joining me now live mark murray. mark, obviously, the first thing at least some conservatives brought up with the president is that he has taken a different stance in the past when it came to the debt ceiling. >> well, in 2006, then senator barack obama ended up voting against a raise in the debt ceiling. republicans have seized on that saying that the position that president obama's taking today and also in 2011 is inconsistent with that 2006 vote. there is one very big difference between now and 2006. 2006 there wasn't this kind of big protracted battle over the debt ceiling at all. it wasn't a big issue. i was covering politics for nbc at the time. the debt ceiling increase was seen as a procedure and a very partisan vote then but not something you were reporting on for weeks and months like we have in 2011 then and now on the debt ceiling debate and, of course, what happened in 2011 was a loss to the nation's credit rating. there's big differences between
ceiling or the debt limit. where do we go from here? joining me now live mark murray. mark, obviously, the first thing at least some conservatives brought up with the president is that he has taken a different stance in the past when it came to the debt ceiling. >> well, in 2006, then senator barack obama ended up voting against a raise in the debt ceiling. republicans have seized on that saying that the position that president obama's taking today and also in 2011 is inconsistent with...
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let us raise the debt ceiling. no strings attached. and if the president can raise it as he should be able to and if congress wants to reject it 2/3. the mcconnell proposal is a good republican proposal. i hope you support it. that's the way to go. >> let me ask you a question a bill that says regardless of what happens with the debt ceiling that the united states will never default on the debt, would you support that or not? >> i support the concept. i'd have to look at the bill. the best way to do that is the mcconnell act. >> we may have just made news. >>> last week, general colin powell was here worried about a dark vein of intolerance in republican quarters. you are part of a stream of new faces in the republican party, minority faces and voices in the party that seem to stand against that. how did you respond to it? >> well, i saw that interview. i respect general powell a great deal. i was disappointed with those comments. i think he was buying into some of the partisan attacks. if you look at this last election, for example, i
let us raise the debt ceiling. no strings attached. and if the president can raise it as he should be able to and if congress wants to reject it 2/3. the mcconnell proposal is a good republican proposal. i hope you support it. that's the way to go. >> let me ask you a question a bill that says regardless of what happens with the debt ceiling that the united states will never default on the debt, would you support that or not? >> i support the concept. i'd have to look at the bill....
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on the debt ceiling. not again. and today after months of insisting that the president really did have to negotiate with them on that, republicans in congress gave up. david corn "showdown," the stand off the president faced with republicans. david, thanks for being here. >> good evening, rachel. >> eric cantor says, yeah, we're going to give up, but only for three months. what did you make of that? >> i'm the last guy who wants to cause a spike in the vix, but, you know, there are a couple of things to think about here. i call this plan r for run away. but we know that john boehner often has had trouble with his various plans. plan b most notoriously, getting them approved, accepted and passed by his own house republicans. and cantor made a very declarative statement today. we're going to bring this to a vote, and when you do that, usually you think you have the votes, but immediately there were grumblings that some house republicans will go along with this i'm not sure that democrats will, too. so it remains to be
on the debt ceiling. not again. and today after months of insisting that the president really did have to negotiate with them on that, republicans in congress gave up. david corn "showdown," the stand off the president faced with republicans. david, thanks for being here. >> good evening, rachel. >> eric cantor says, yeah, we're going to give up, but only for three months. what did you make of that? >> i'm the last guy who wants to cause a spike in the vix, but, you...
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that is far from a don't raise the debt ceiling ultimatum. boehner has now shown that he's willing to break glass and allow legislation to pass without a majority of the majority. perhaps we've seen the near future in how the republicans end up agreeing to a debt ceiling raise without a battle. government funding and government shutdown, different story. >>> let's turn back to the big story of the day. and that is the president's push on guns and the coming fight with both congress and the nra. in addition to calling on congress to pass gun control legislation, the president will propose a set of executive actions. nbc's justice correspondent pete williams is here to help explain some of those executive actions. a big one that we know he's going to call for is this idea, pete, of basically ordering the justice department to prosecute people that fail background checks. explain why that hasn't been done before, and how it can be done. >> sure, first of all. the federal law makes it a crime for somebody to falsify, knowingly falsify information
that is far from a don't raise the debt ceiling ultimatum. boehner has now shown that he's willing to break glass and allow legislation to pass without a majority of the majority. perhaps we've seen the near future in how the republicans end up agreeing to a debt ceiling raise without a battle. government funding and government shutdown, different story. >>> let's turn back to the big story of the day. and that is the president's push on guns and the coming fight with both congress and...
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senator against the debt ceiling, he talked in essence how irresponsible it was to raise the debt ceiling. what in the world happened between then and now? why does somebody responsible for something raise the debt ceiling that wasn't before? what's the difference? >> i think that the president was terribly irresponsible, to say he's not talking about it because he's above it to blame congress, in part congress creates this problem, but we're going to solve this problem. i got elected to uphold the constitution and leave this country better than how we found it. we can't keep spending our kids inheritance, can't keep spending their money, we don't have it. >> greta: apparently he has threatened, i think his statement, at least people-- that in the event, congress doesn't authorize to raise that debt ceiling that he will do it unilaterally himself and he thinks he has the authority. do you >> absolutely not. under the 14th amendment of the constitution you can only do this as authorized by law and law is only created through the united states congress. so the president has absolutely no gr
senator against the debt ceiling, he talked in essence how irresponsible it was to raise the debt ceiling. what in the world happened between then and now? why does somebody responsible for something raise the debt ceiling that wasn't before? what's the difference? >> i think that the president was terribly irresponsible, to say he's not talking about it because he's above it to blame congress, in part congress creates this problem, but we're going to solve this problem. i got elected to...
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raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. these are bills that have already been racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up. but to even entertain the idea of this happening, of the united states of america not paying its bills is irresponsible. it is absurd. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they had better choose quickly because time is running short. >> house republicans continued to threaten to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip. house republican conference chairwoman kathy rogers told "political" i think it is possible we would shut down the government to make sure that president obama understands that we're serious. well, i guess that would do it. we always talk
raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. these are bills that have already been racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up. but to even entertain the idea of this happening, of...
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president obama warned republicans about taking the debt ceiling hostage. it looks like they heard the message. >> the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they better choose quickly because time is running short. >> republicans made their choice today during a gop retreat in williamsburg, virginia. house majority leader eric cap tore reportedly announced plans to pass a bill extending the debt limit for an additional three months. it's the clearest signs yet republicans have no intention of ever defaulting on the country's debt. in a statement the white house responding, saying, we are encouraged. there are signs congressional republicans may back off their insistence on holding our economy hostage to extract drastic cuts in medicare, education and programs middle class families depend on. the temporary nature of the increase is somewhat troubling. a white house official told nbc news it's a terrible way to run the country. but the aid
president obama warned republicans about taking the debt ceiling hostage. it looks like they heard the message. >> the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they better choose quickly because time is running short. >> republicans made their choice today during a gop retreat in williamsburg, virginia. house majority leader eric cap tore reportedly announced plans...
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ceiling, and it looks like they are going to be willing to extend the debt ceiling for three months with which is the cover of the new york times this morning, and what is that about? what is happening? >> well, it seems they are trying to line up their opposition to the president, this debt ceiling trying to line it up with two other big economic situations that we are going to be faced, that is to continue resolution that we common call the c.r. to keep the government running which expires the first of march. and then of course, we have the so-called, i don't know what to call it, but it is not the cliff, but it is not what i would call it. >> the curb. >> yes, the curb beginning to kick in, and we need to work with that and i think that they are trying to line it up to camouflage whatever they may do, which i think will be to vote to let the debt ceiling go up. >> okay. so i should not see this as we say in the black church, a "come to jesus" moment, but in washington they say we are outmanned on this, so we will have to give the president his way, because the wind of public opin
ceiling, and it looks like they are going to be willing to extend the debt ceiling for three months with which is the cover of the new york times this morning, and what is that about? what is happening? >> well, it seems they are trying to line up their opposition to the president, this debt ceiling trying to line it up with two other big economic situations that we are going to be faced, that is to continue resolution that we common call the c.r. to keep the government running which...
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i don't know what he will do on gun control but don't compromise on the debt ceiling. do it by executive order and then say it is your fault. either way he gets the republicans. if they pass they get weakened if they oppose they demonize. >> it is a smart political strategy. >> it could be but it worked so far but not 100 percent. remember republicans got control of the house of representatives during his term after his first two years when he was very aggressive about his initiatives and they kind of stopped him in his tracks. he can't do very much over there. if you resist him i am not sure that's true on guns, bill. gun control has been a dangerous issue for democrats. may be a womell bring if hemay unpopular if something isn't done. i don't think he's going to propose very much on gun control. on immigration they have a sense that the hispanic vote was important it was help will to obama this type around. >> it looks reasonable in that. colin powell used to be a republican. i don't think he is any longer. however he has not changed as far as we know. he made very s
i don't know what he will do on gun control but don't compromise on the debt ceiling. do it by executive order and then say it is your fault. either way he gets the republicans. if they pass they get weakened if they oppose they demonize. >> it is a smart political strategy. >> it could be but it worked so far but not 100 percent. remember republicans got control of the house of representatives during his term after his first two years when he was very aggressive about his...
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. >> we're going to change to debt ceiling now. white house leader eric cantor says the gop -- they're going to give them a three-month reprieve, they're going to temporarily approve a debt limit increase. the president said no negotiating on the debt limit ceiling. is this a victory for the president or do you see this as just a postponing of the inevitable standoff? >> it's both. it is a victory for the president, the republicans have been saying, we're not going to raise the debt ceiling unless we have every dollar of the debt ceiling goes to spending of that same amount. they've conceded they're going to extend the debt ceiling without any cuts. but that moves us to now where government funding expires on march 31th. at that point, we'll have a s w showdown in which republicans insist on spending cuts. there will still be some kind of fight. we will have a clock to some kind of catastrophic event that could happen, like we had in december. but it would not be with the debt ceiling. the republicans seem to have conceded to the o
. >> we're going to change to debt ceiling now. white house leader eric cantor says the gop -- they're going to give them a three-month reprieve, they're going to temporarily approve a debt limit increase. the president said no negotiating on the debt limit ceiling. is this a victory for the president or do you see this as just a postponing of the inevitable standoff? >> it's both. it is a victory for the president, the republicans have been saying, we're not going to raise the debt...
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to reduce the debt ceiling, we talked to businesses outside of new york, if we don't raise the debt ceiling, it's a potential, reality for wrecking -- >> that's the wrong time. >> the debt ceiling is the wrong time to do it. >> saying you can't do it with the debt ceiling, can't do it with the fiscal cliff, can't do it shutting down the government. all i'm talking about, the president of the united states has absolutely no is in no position to talk about who's being reckless with the debt. the real default has come from his lack of leadership on deficits and debts. the federal deficit has been over a trillion dollars all four years he's been president of the united states. he's done absolutely nothing to curb the costs of these programs that will, according to democra democrats -- >> hmm. >> bankrupt us. what has harry reid rand democrats done in the senate? absolutely nothing. how many days since they passed a budget? >> 1,357. >> 1,357 days since democrats have passed a budget in the united states senate. >> let's talk about that lack of leadership so many people have criticized the presi
to reduce the debt ceiling, we talked to businesses outside of new york, if we don't raise the debt ceiling, it's a potential, reality for wrecking -- >> that's the wrong time. >> the debt ceiling is the wrong time to do it. >> saying you can't do it with the debt ceiling, can't do it with the fiscal cliff, can't do it shutting down the government. all i'm talking about, the president of the united states has absolutely no is in no position to talk about who's being reckless...
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seriously, republicans were not elected to raise the debt ceiling and bring us into more debt and steal from our kids. where is the moral imperative that somebody, some party in in country is going to stand up and say enough is enough and we've got to live within our means and stop borrowing 46 cents of every dollar? where is that party? >> i think that they are there. they don't have a lot of-- a spokesperson yet. it's going to take some time. so, the thing is, this is the amazing thing. >> sean: capitulate in the meantime? >> i'm not saying that, but i think there is a responsibility for washington to say, okay, look, what are the things we can do within these parameters to make sure we don't wreck the economy. the fitch point, what obama is realizing, what fitch is saying could actually happen and smart preemptively to blame the republicans. >> sean: isn't it to be party, and balanced budget and greater freedom and to hell with the political consequences, take a stand? >> the republicans caved on the tax, yes, they did. they lost, they caved. >> sean: caved. >> and i don't like the w
seriously, republicans were not elected to raise the debt ceiling and bring us into more debt and steal from our kids. where is the moral imperative that somebody, some party in in country is going to stand up and say enough is enough and we've got to live within our means and stop borrowing 46 cents of every dollar? where is that party? >> i think that they are there. they don't have a lot of-- a spokesperson yet. it's going to take some time. so, the thing is, this is the amazing thing....
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ceiling isn't raised. it's so important t? that we get this debt situation under control, and i think that once again, when you consider what we're doing to our future generations, you know, our children and our grandchildren, currently who have $53,000 debt upon them. we're eroding their possibilities and their opportunities in this great society. so i think we have to have up in washington d.c., the seriousness, to look at the true problem, which is a spending problem. look at mandatory spending programs and we have to stop the exorbitant amount of spending and we have to say, finally, we're going to stop this debt and we're going to get serious, and i think that fitch is very appropriate in saying that if they don't see a curtailing of the spending, that they're going to downgrade us. >> greta: we're going to keep our eye on this, because certainly all eyes are on this debt ceiling these days in washington. stay with us, so congressman, we have much more to talk to you after the break, but first, there
ceiling isn't raised. it's so important t? that we get this debt situation under control, and i think that once again, when you consider what we're doing to our future generations, you know, our children and our grandchildren, currently who have $53,000 debt upon them. we're eroding their possibilities and their opportunities in this great society. so i think we have to have up in washington d.c., the seriousness, to look at the true problem, which is a spending problem. look at mandatory...
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they'll push -- the question is how -- how do they push on the debt ceiling? do they say, look, we'll give you a short-term extension of the debt ceiling for a certain amount of spending cuts, or we'll give you a long-term extension like you want for even more spending cuts. can they force entitlement reform around medicare, for instance, even some of the -- in their view -- more limited things that the president wants to do around means testing and age and indexing to try to attach that to a debt-limit deal. do they move beyond the debt limit, try to get to the continuing resolutions and those kinds of things? they recognize that this is the only area of leverage that they have, but they want to be careful about it. >> so chuck todd, how does the white house deal with that supposed leverage? >> well, first i think the republicans are hoping that they have a manti te'o defense, that somehow it was all a hoax and maybe the election was a hoax and they can go back and redo everything. no. i think the republican -- the white house strategy is make the house repub
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ceiling and they have to not play around with the debt ceiling powell is a sophisticated player. i don't think he does anything without thinking it through quite well. that's why i said what i said i want to make sure we have your allegations on the record. i don't want to put words in your mouth. >> it's a supposition. >> bill: you say that you think that collin powell was asked by someone to go out and defend chuck hagel's nomination. and at the same time, raise the spector that some people are owe posing the president's policies because he is black. that that was to put in one interview in one presentation. that's what you think may have happened? it might have happened. implication of what he said really is quite inprogram inflay to say least. it's in line with what liberal commentators have said for some time. every time you criticize barack obama there will be someone out there in the blogosphere or television or radio saying well you just like the fact that a black man is in power. it's ridiculous. if you want to look at intolerance and collin powell knows this well you do
ceiling and they have to not play around with the debt ceiling powell is a sophisticated player. i don't think he does anything without thinking it through quite well. that's why i said what i said i want to make sure we have your allegations on the record. i don't want to put words in your mouth. >> it's a supposition. >> bill: you say that you think that collin powell was asked by someone to go out and defend chuck hagel's nomination. and at the same time, raise the spector that...
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in 2011 when we had the debt ceiling debacle, they agreed to the budget control act which was another billion dollars, roughly, of cuts. again, mostly from if not entirely from discretionary programs. and then, of course, we had the fiscal cliff which was $650 billion of revenue increases. so so far, we've actually had $2.4 trillion over a ten-year period of deficit reduction. but about 30% of it has come from rev lienue increases and at the other 70% from come from spending cuts. entirely from discretionary programs. >> what's the budget control act? >> it's what came out of the last debt ceiling debacle when the republicans and the democrats agreed on this trillion dollars of roughly discretionary -- all discretionary spending reductions. but the point is, none of this really touches entitlements. none of it touches the mandatory. and its $2.4 trillion. >> where is the sequestration in these numbers? >> it's not in here yet because it hasn't happened yet. this is sort of where we are today. this next graph shows you how budget wonks measure our progress. if we had done nothing, we w
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they have announced to be taking a vote on the debt ceiling. so it just -- >> on wednesday. >> only gets better. >> yeah. at this point, we are in the middle of a process of governing that's going to get very hot very fast this week with the debt ceiling vote in the house and potentially a filibuster vote in the senate. the president speaking to some of those matters at least in the second inaugural. not a state of the union but had a lot of specifics in it. you are watching msnbc's live continuing coverage of president obama's second inauguration. we'll be right back. have given way to sleeping. tossing and turning where sleepless nights yield to restful sleep. and lunesta®(eszopiclone) can help you get there. like it has for so many people before. when taking lunesta, don't drive or operate machinery until you feel fully awake. walking, eating, driving, or engaging in other activities while asleep, without remembering it the next day, have been reported. lunesta should not be taken together with alcohol. abnormal behaviors may include aggres
they have announced to be taking a vote on the debt ceiling. so it just -- >> on wednesday. >> only gets better. >> yeah. at this point, we are in the middle of a process of governing that's going to get very hot very fast this week with the debt ceiling vote in the house and potentially a filibuster vote in the senate. the president speaking to some of those matters at least in the second inaugural. not a state of the union but had a lot of specifics in it. you are watching...